More on Religion and Liberty

Dave Killion — May 9, 2011

As I have previously noted, I am a secular person who still finds himself moved by certain elements of religion. While recently reviewing some old notes of mine, I found some bible verses I had copied and thought worth sharing. Today’s reading is from the first book of Samuel, Chapter 8, in which God, through Samuel, warns Israel of the dangers of turning away from His law in favour of rule by king –

“Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.” “

The whole, brief chapter is well worth reading, and I would welcome directions to any other such verses, regardless of the religion of origin.

BTW, I see David C has also mentioned this particular chapter!

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David C says

Dave: Preach it brother. The part of the Bible you cited is the basis for many a Christian Anarchist’s beliefs. Combine Samuel with the power of the Sermon on the Mount and the state becomes irrelevant. LewRockwell has more on this topic:

Now we just need to get Christians to actually read and take literally Christ’s message :| Unfortunately, protestant evangelicals in the West want to take the Bible literally in the part that is meant to be interpreted allegorically (Genesis) and interpret allegorically the part that is meant to be taken literally (Sermon on the Mount). I DOUBT this will change anytime soon however I have hope that minds can be changed one at a time.

— May 9, 2011

Shirley Sloan says

Not bad preaching for secular guys! I have been thinking about these ideas too and am determined to blog on this passage in conjunction with Chapter 8 of the New Testament book of Romans…and the destruction of the (allegorical) dragon in the book of Revelation. I won’t claim to be secular…but I am anti-institution….both in terms of institutionalized religion…and government.

Also Dave, you are so correct that the sermon on the mount is meant to be taken literally. “It’s outrageous” people say,”He couldn’t have meant that!” This is why it is so true what G. K. Chesterton said, “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.”

— May 12, 2011

The Whited Sepulchre says

One of my favorite Bible passages, and I think I’ve centered a couple of rants around it.
I LOVE what you guys are doing. Hope you keep it up !!!!

— May 14, 2011

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